Comments on: Humans and Humanists (and Scientists) https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/ a project of the National Humanities Center Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:42:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Harriet Ritvo https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1044 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:37:38 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1044 Response to responses: On Humans and Humanists (and Scientists)

On-line forum “On the Human”
The structure of this on-line forum, as implied by the distribution of its editors, posits animals and machines as equivalent boundaries of the human. Since the ways that humans resemble animals are not completely analogous to the ways that they resemble machines, this further suggests that the most important similarities and differences are abstract. Of course, abstract analogies are important and interesting—but they are not alone in possessing these qualities. And the consequences of thinking about concrete animals (and machines) can be very different from the consequences of thinking about notional ones: for example, a post-human future dominated or determined by (other?) machines would not be the same as one dominated or determined by other animals.

To some extent, inclination toward the abstract or the concrete is disciplinary. As a historian I am drawn by the concrete; philosophers and literary theorists often prefer abstraction (which is not to say that they prefer the same kinds of abstraction). Wai Chee Dimock points out the traditional power of imaginative literature to consider boundary issues. The examples she gives tend to produce a still more powerful abstraction—boundary or difference per se. Enkidu is a human who associates inappropriately with non-humans; the Cyclops is not particularly human, but he is not recognizably animal either. (Of course the humans don’t treat each other very well in Homer, and there is no particular reason to think that the gods, though literally anthropomorphic, necessarily value every human above every non-human.) It would be anachronistic to wonder whether the works of ancient writers were intended or perceived as bridges between the sciences or other ways of knowing, but some modern literature certainly has been so conceived and so understood (for example, Frankenstein or The Island of Dr. Moreau among many others).

The growing field sometimes called “animal studies” has internalized the disciplinary division: within it historians tend to pay more attention difference between animals (or kinds of animals) in particular, and scholars in literary and cultural studies tend to consider “the animal” in some comprehensive general sense. Aslihan Sanal suggests a possible way of reconciling these perspectives, while she also suggests the challenges that such reconciliation would pose. The notion of “the human” obviates numerous fine (and not-so-fine) distinctions, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your point of view. The notion of “the animal” obviates many more distinctions, most of which are not fine at all. As Leigh Van Valen points out, there is no single boundary between people and other organisms; instead there are many points of contact and many complex gradations.

The reasons for acknowledging and honoring these gradations are practical as well as intellectual. Over the last two centuries, every attempt to extend the legal protections accorded to animals, or to alter the political or religious attitudes that determine their standing, has been strenuously resisted. Arguments that do not recognize the general preference for pets over livestock are not likely to persuade. Pigs and goats are probably the intellectual and emotional peers of cats and dogs, but their position in our society is very different. Similar disjunctions exist with regard to wild animals, who are, as a category, treated very differently from domesticates. Unless they are captives (in menageries or laboratories), they are protected, if at all, as species rather than as individuals. In this context the special emotional connection to humans enjoyed by pet dogs and cats is paralleled by the special physical resemblance to humans enjoyed (or not) by monkeys and especially apes. As John Dupré predicts, I completely agree with him that phylogenetic proximity is not the appropriate standard for judging the emotional lives of other animals. But history suggests that it is the likeliest to serve as the thin edge of the wedge of consideration (and, probably, that it will be a very thin edge indeed).

But I find phylogeny more compelling than he does. Historically, people have been more inclined to wonder about their relation to chimpanzees and orangutans than about their relation to dolphins and elephants, and also more inclined to attempt to integrate apes into their lives, whether in fact or in imagination. There is no question that this inclination has been anthropocentric (as has been most other human thinking and acting). But most historical research deals with subjects who would not measure up to current moral or intellectual standards; as Anita Guerrini illustrates, they can be, nevertheless, well worth studying.

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By: Anita Guerrini https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1025 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:29:52 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1025 It is interesting that although Linnaeus separated the humans into racial categories, his contemporary Buffon did not. When Buffon began to write his Histoire naturelle in the 1740s, he denied the existence of species altogether; like his seventeenth-century predecessor Claude Perrault, he believed that we could only talk about individuals, which themselves exhibited so much variation that it was impossible to make any generalizations which could qualify as a system of classification. Buffon later moderated his views to accept a definition of species based on the ability to reproduce. By this definition, humans are fundamentally different from apes, although his degeneration theory left open a possibility of some common ancestor (an idea he rejected).

Like Leigh Van Valen, I am especially concerned with the current devaluation of the humanities (which, interestingly, has no entry in the OED). I agree that the idea of value is one way the humanities can intervene in current discourses. But I think it will take more than goodwill to keep the humanities from simply disappearing from many universities. Giorgio Agamben has argued (in The Open) that recognition of the essential identity between human and animal will result in a post-historical, post-humanistic era. I don’t think we’re past history yet, and Ritvo’s essay opens up a space where human and natural histories intersect. Science needs the values and critique of the humanities, and the humanities, as Ritvo eloquently concludes, need to look beyond the human.

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By: Leigh Van Valen https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1023 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:56:25 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1023 I’m adding to Dupré’s comment, without implying his agreement with what I say.

It’s usual in such discussions to consider only animals that are still alive. After all, we can have no ethical responsibilities to the extinct, even if we have regrets. Evolution is a continuum, though, and it’s appropriate to consider where in this ancestral continuum humanness began.

From this perspective it’s obvious that any distinction between human and nonhuman can’t be sharp. We can propose many criteria that distinguish us from mice, baboons, amoebas, and/or bonobos. A set of distinctions from amoebas will presumably be larger than one for baboons. The criteria themselves are often fuzzy: thus some humans can’t speak, and bonobos walk bipedally about half the time. Groups of chimpanzees differ from each other in their material and behavioral culture. We gradually became human.

An appropriate context for humanness is that of fuzzy sets. Some individual animals are fully human, others are not human, and others are or have been partly human. How partly this is for a particular individual will depend on the criteria used.

A monist perspective implies the theoretical possibility of our constructing intelligent and even emotional entities. Would they be human? Here again absolute demarcations fail us.

Ethical responsibilities, too, have fuzzy boundaries. They probably evolved to enhance the survival of small groups of our ancestors. We now have broader contexts. In the words of Jesus of Nazareth, Who is thy brother? Does the recent evidence that fish feel pain make the holiday fisherman a moral monster? Ethical responsibilities come in degrees, not in dichotomies.

How much weight should we give to different criteria? There is again no unique answer.

On a different note, I see the distinctiveness of the humanities as an approach, or a set of related approaches, rather than a set of subjects to be explored. Linguistics is a science, but it is one with a humanistic context and implications, rather like cultural anthropology in this way. Art history, like any history, is partly a science. Despite the repeated removal of parts of its domain over the centuries, what remains of philosophy merges with mathematics via logic and with all sciences via conceptual and other analyses.

Thus the humanities in part flow into the sciences, but the perspectives of the two are nonetheless different. Unlike science per se, the humanities incorporate and are built around values. What, in a nonmaterial way, brings value to the human condition? The humanities reach, or try to reach, into the soul. Such metadisciplinary analysis, as I once called it (in a literary journal), has the potential to clarify by comparison rather than by introspection.

But people differ from each other. There is no fully universal core, nor should we pretend to find one. Let a hundred flowers bloom; some propagate widely, others narrowly or not at all. Some flourish in a culture-specific way, others more generally. Personalities themselves constrain paths to the soul.

In some parts of the humanities there has come to be a dictatorship of fads; in some others the superficial seems to have become paramount. These are, I think, the real crises of the humanities. Goodwill and determination should suffice to find paths from the mire.

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By: Aslihan Sanal https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:52:38 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1022 The humanists held the “know thyself” mirror to social life and saw in its taxonomy an image of their fragmented nature–as humans, as apes and as other animals linked in body and soul to a great chain of being. They had observed this in chimeric beings versed in epic poems, and reinvented it in less romantic ways of science. They had observed human qualities in apes, smoking, dancing and reading, and more animal qualities among humans, as in early days of anthropology. And in time, the humanists began feeling the urge to strip the animal from the taxonomic place occupying the imagery and place it within the social contract in equal footing with humans. This is evident in the Great Ape Project as well as in other debates on humanoids, robots, etc. Why would only humans have rights in a modern capital driven order in which many, among them humanoids, primates or robots contribute with their entire labor? Yet Ritvo underlines the dramatic: we are not even close to having equality among the human society itself let alone think of giving the “next of kin”, the apes, a place in it. Beside this, in different cultures, giving “rights” to animals and other similar beings could invoke links to imaginary beings, almost materializing the fantastic within legal forms of governance. Would this not be reinventing an all new taxonomic spectrum, an all new fragmentation, an all new ground of fear amidst material life that is already dramatically unequal and unjust? Ritvo’s observation is in place for she knows the heart and hope of the humanist, the wilderness of social life, and the frame in which the legal operates, and she knows that the humanists lens is now adjusted to the “post-human condition” looking down to a modern life.

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By: John Dupré https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1018 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:43:51 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1018 Harriet Ritvo has some typically fascinating historical observations on the history of the concept of the human, but I’m not so clear how they bear on the questions raised in the conclusion on the rights of apes. Although it’s true that the gap between ourselves and related animals now looks much narrower than it once did, the nature of the gap is much clearer. Our lineage diverged from the most closely related of theirs a few million years ago, and some time between then and now we and they ceased to produce viable hybrids. In the mean time we developed syntactically complex languages, agriculture, urban cultures, arts and sciences, etc. The difference between humans and non-humans is surely much clearer for the fact that we don’t mistake it for a distinct biological essence. I do not, of course, take this imply that we should imprison, eat, or in any other way exploit other creatures that we also know to be intelligent, social, communicative, and so on. They are in addition increasingly rare, which gives another reason to be nice to them: it would be a huge loss to ourselves to lose these wonderful relatives. Indeed, it is because they are so different from us, not because they are like us, that their disappearance would be such a disaster. So I cannot agree that “human uniqueness has come under increasing taxonomic challenge”. Taxonomic uniqueness just amounts to rather less than some once thought.

My final worry is one with which I expect Ritvo would sympathise. The Declaration on Great Apes is surely intolerably anthropocentric. Surely these animals are singled out only because they are phylogenetically related to us. I have no idea whether their lives are emotionally or socially richer than those of an elephant, a dolphin or a baboon. Surely a proper reading of contemporary biology should be to give up on hereditary privilege, and work out how to treat all animals on their merits.

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By: Wai Chee Dimock https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1016 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:13:04 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1016 A “posthuman” society might not be in the immediate future, but rethinking the boundaries of the “human” does have tremendous implications right now. It might be helpful to go beyond a strictly scientific taxonomy to see how this question is refracted more generally across a range of discourses. I’m thinking especially of the interplay between humans and non-humans in imaginative literature, from the ancient epic to contemporary science fiction. In Gilgamesh, Enkidu initially hangs out with wild animals and has to be initiated into human society. In the Odyssey, there are a number of creatures that seem to defy simple labels. The Cyclops, for instance, has a flock of sheep and makes cheeses, but his size, his one eye, and the matter-of-fact way he devours human bodies suggest that he is a “savage” after all, perhaps even belonging to a different species. Odysseus clearly feels that Cyclops is less than human and treats him accordingly. Yet this presumption doesn’t seem to pan out, since Odysseus is soon punished by Poseidon, and sent adrift for another 10 years. So it seems that “humanness” is a vexed issue from the very first; contemporary science fiction is simply revisiting the terrain with the help of new technologies. This is a body of material humanists know very well; I would argue that this is one of the core issues in our disciplines, one that can in turn be enlisted as a bridge to the sciences.

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By: Boria Sax https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1013 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:51:28 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1013 Ritvo correctly observes that “until recently there has been a fair amount of consensus about the denotation of ‘human’ among practitioners and critics.” Such as consensus is, however, historically recent, and primarily a reaction against the racism that had pervaded Western science throughout the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries — and it reached a terrible culmination in the Nazi period. In the first half of the twentieth century it was not uncommon for popular, as well as scientific, writers to observe that the difference between Kant or Schiller and a “savage” was actually vastly greater than the difference between the savage and an ape. In reaction to this, not only did any discussion of racial differences became taboo, but questions of human identity, which had been so intimately associated with such discussion, did as well. The reasons for the taboo were basically admirable, and it may arguably have been necessary, even if it did inhibit certain kinds of scientific and philosophical investigation, but it could not be sustained indefinitely. As Robert Proctor puts it in a detailed discussion of these problems, “…political evil may be creative and political goodwill stifling” [Proctor, R. N. (2005). Human Recency and Race: Molecular Anthropology, the Refigured Acheulean, and the UNESCO Response to Auschwitz. In H. W. Baillie & T. K. Casey (Eds.), Is Human Nature Obsolete? Genetics, Bioengineering, and the Future of the Human Condition (pp. 235-268). Cambridge, MA: MIT UP]. The consensus about human identity that is breaking down lasted only from the end of World War II until the last decades of the twentieth century, perhaps about 40 years in all. I do not know what the practical implications of reopening questions of human identity may be, but I would not assume that a “posthuman” society will necessarily be either less hierarchical or more tolerant than our own.

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By: Boria Sax https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/2010/03/humans-and-humanists-and-scientists/comment-page-1/#comment-1012 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:27:36 +0000 http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/on-the-human/?p=963#comment-1012 The predominant view through most of Western history situated human beings on a continuum “between the angels and the beasts.” In many ways, this perspective has changed remarkably little, but computers have taken the place of angels. Transhumanists such as Ray Kurzweil foresee a collapse of boundaries between human beings and computers, rather than between human beings and animals. His position may be extreme, but it raises many difficult question. As we live increasingly on the Internet, where animals are unable to follow, could human beings not place increasing distance between animals and ourselves? Could we not drive them further to the peripheries of our lives and ultimately, in ever greater numbers, to extinction? Could we promulgate fantasies of animals, which may make the real ones appear disappointing by comparison? At any rate, I do not think that any reconsideration of what it means to be human can realistically ignore the growing significance of computers in our lives.

It is also possible that we be able to use computers to relate to animals, for example by simulating their perspectives on the world. The posthumanism which I believe lays the most comprehensive framework to address these various possibilities is that of Roberto Marchesini, who believes the defining quality of human beings is not a fixed quality but rather the tendency to affiliate with other entities, including animals, machines, and ideas. (See my summary at http://www.depauw.edu/humanimalia/issue02/sax.html)

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